<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: BoingBoing, Web Hosting and the First Amendment</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/</link>
	<description>Insights on Hosting, Technology, and Green Technology</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:33:29 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: jack sparrow</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>jack sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-1768</guid>
		<description>why is  your name rachael if you look like a guy? im guessing your a lezbo. stfu you suck up to the man and greedy big buisness and corporations/industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is  your name rachael if you look like a guy? im guessing your a lezbo. stfu you suck up to the man and greedy big buisness and corporations/industry.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: WikiLeaks Watch 12/24/2010 &#171; Libérale et libertaire</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-1634</link>
		<dc:creator>WikiLeaks Watch 12/24/2010 &#171; Libérale et libertaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-1634</guid>
		<description>[...] choosing a provider next door to the CIA. In addition, ServInt, last year, made some news when it objected to a Rachel Maddow Segment that featured Xeni Jardin of BoingBoing suggesting that content providers use offshore hosting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] choosing a provider next door to the CIA. In addition, ServInt, last year, made some news when it objected to a Rachel Maddow Segment that featured Xeni Jardin of BoingBoing suggesting that content providers use offshore hosting [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christian Dawson</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-493</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m not exactly sure what legislation you see doing this. Nothing like that seems to have been proposed by anybody anywhere. And I just don&#039;t see Internet legislation going that way in America, because frankly the American people wouldn&#039;t stand for it. Try to make private what is public and you&#039;d see riots in the streets. You&#039;d see revolt, some big companies and the politicians who sided with them with egg on their faces, and viable alternatives rising up quickly to strip away any power gained by companies seen as trying to gain unfair advantage over Internet infrastructure.

There are people out there like Cory Doctorow who foresee huge conspiracies about National or corporate takeovers of the Internet. I just don&#039;t see that as being realistic. I think their conspiracy theories are useful to some extent, because fear of the possibility of the further corporatization of the Internet does help keep it from happening, but at the end of the day it simply won&#039;t. We&#039;re a country who often lets unpopular things happen because we&#039;re not mobilized en masse against it, but when we are we have an unstoppable power. It&#039;s why there&#039;s no military draft in America, and it&#039;s why the Internet will never be swallowed whole by &#039;big business&#039; or the US Government.  

I firmly believe that America does a good job right now upholding the rights of free speech and open access, and I just dont see that changing for the worse. I can&#039;t speak for the UK, but I can say &#039;don&#039;t believe the hype&#039; when it comes to Internet legislation in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not exactly sure what legislation you see doing this. Nothing like that seems to have been proposed by anybody anywhere. And I just don&#8217;t see Internet legislation going that way in America, because frankly the American people wouldn&#8217;t stand for it. Try to make private what is public and you&#8217;d see riots in the streets. You&#8217;d see revolt, some big companies and the politicians who sided with them with egg on their faces, and viable alternatives rising up quickly to strip away any power gained by companies seen as trying to gain unfair advantage over Internet infrastructure.</p>
<p>There are people out there like Cory Doctorow who foresee huge conspiracies about National or corporate takeovers of the Internet. I just don&#8217;t see that as being realistic. I think their conspiracy theories are useful to some extent, because fear of the possibility of the further corporatization of the Internet does help keep it from happening, but at the end of the day it simply won&#8217;t. We&#8217;re a country who often lets unpopular things happen because we&#8217;re not mobilized en masse against it, but when we are we have an unstoppable power. It&#8217;s why there&#8217;s no military draft in America, and it&#8217;s why the Internet will never be swallowed whole by &#8216;big business&#8217; or the US Government.  </p>
<p>I firmly believe that America does a good job right now upholding the rights of free speech and open access, and I just dont see that changing for the worse. I can&#8217;t speak for the UK, but I can say &#8216;don&#8217;t believe the hype&#8217; when it comes to Internet legislation in America.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: web hosting</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>web hosting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-492</guid>
		<description>This will have a number of effects... firstly it&#039;ll limit enterprise on the internet to big business, secondly it&#039;ll end coffee shop culture (no more free internet anywhere, period, unless you provide proof of ID when you get your WEP key).

In the UK this is made vastly worse by the internet surveillance they are pushing through - disconnection without trial + mass surveillance is a very efficient state censorship mechanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will have a number of effects&#8230; firstly it&#8217;ll limit enterprise on the internet to big business, secondly it&#8217;ll end coffee shop culture (no more free internet anywhere, period, unless you provide proof of ID when you get your WEP key).</p>
<p>In the UK this is made vastly worse by the internet surveillance they are pushing through &#8211; disconnection without trial + mass surveillance is a very efficient state censorship mechanism.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-458</guid>
		<description>Christian, Thanks for taking the time to respond.  I believe you.  There probably are US webhosts that respond intelligently to these DMCA related issues and don&#039;t treat their clients like a hot potato like Blogspot does.  I kind of lumped all of you in with Blogspot because, from my perspective as a client (non-paying one, too) I can&#039;t tell the difference and these takedown orders really make me feel threatened.

I blame the DMCA because it places web hosts, like yourself, in the awkward position of having to suddenly become copyright lawyers in the midst of running a web hosting service.  It&#039;s understandable if many hosts err on the side of caution because it takes them completely out of their field of expertise and confronts them with the dreaded consequences of a potential lawsuit which could make the loss of a single customer look trivial.  Customers are normally assets, but a DMCA takedown order can quickly turn any one of them into a liability.

I&#039;ve found a Canadian host.  If Benjamin Franklin was alive today, I think he&#039;d be doing all his publishing from a Canadian web server too.  I&#039;m glad, however that ServInt customers don&#039;t have to run for the border like I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian, Thanks for taking the time to respond.  I believe you.  There probably are US webhosts that respond intelligently to these DMCA related issues and don&#8217;t treat their clients like a hot potato like Blogspot does.  I kind of lumped all of you in with Blogspot because, from my perspective as a client (non-paying one, too) I can&#8217;t tell the difference and these takedown orders really make me feel threatened.</p>
<p>I blame the DMCA because it places web hosts, like yourself, in the awkward position of having to suddenly become copyright lawyers in the midst of running a web hosting service.  It&#8217;s understandable if many hosts err on the side of caution because it takes them completely out of their field of expertise and confronts them with the dreaded consequences of a potential lawsuit which could make the loss of a single customer look trivial.  Customers are normally assets, but a DMCA takedown order can quickly turn any one of them into a liability.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found a Canadian host.  If Benjamin Franklin was alive today, I think he&#8217;d be doing all his publishing from a Canadian web server too.  I&#8217;m glad, however that ServInt customers don&#8217;t have to run for the border like I have.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christian Dawson</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-457</guid>
		<description>Well, here&#039;s the thing - my goal isn&#039;t to promote my direct competitors, only to spread the word that there are people who handle these things responsibly for their clients and to highlight that we put ourselves at the top of that list. Why should I need to mention any others when I am telling you that ServInt handles these issues responsibly, and that we&#039;re not alone.

I still think you&#039;re looking for the wrong thing. You see the DMCA as an inherently bad thing, and you&#039;re looking to Canadian hosts who say they don&#039;t follow it. Well no, they wouldn&#039;t, they&#039;d follow Copyright Reform Bill C-61 instead. They have laws in Canada too and they need to follow them there just like we do here. If you&#039;re looking for a U.S. host or a Canadian one who is willing to ignore the law completely then you&#039;re looking for a fundamentally irresponsible host and I think that&#039;s a bad business decision. What you want is a host, no matter where they are based, who won&#039;t &#039;shoot first and ask questions later&#039; and who doesn&#039;t try to be judge, jury and executioner versus its own clients when it gets a complaint. You get that when you pay for good commercial hosting. You don&#039;t get that from a place like Blogspot but why should you? Why would they have a vested interest in protecting your rights to free speech? A good commercial host is like a business partner, who DOES have those interests in seeing you succeed. 

But that only works to a point no matter where you go. Unless you really do want to host on the &#039;bulletproof&#039; fringes along with the spammers and child pornographers, any responsible host is going to keep you from doing illegal things on their network. The difference is that with a host like ServInt if we get a complaint we don&#039;t automatically assume you&#039;re guilty. And we assume it&#039;s worth our time to look into it. You don&#039;t need to go offshore to find that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s the thing &#8211; my goal isn&#8217;t to promote my direct competitors, only to spread the word that there are people who handle these things responsibly for their clients and to highlight that we put ourselves at the top of that list. Why should I need to mention any others when I am telling you that ServInt handles these issues responsibly, and that we&#8217;re not alone.</p>
<p>I still think you&#8217;re looking for the wrong thing. You see the DMCA as an inherently bad thing, and you&#8217;re looking to Canadian hosts who say they don&#8217;t follow it. Well no, they wouldn&#8217;t, they&#8217;d follow Copyright Reform Bill C-61 instead. They have laws in Canada too and they need to follow them there just like we do here. If you&#8217;re looking for a U.S. host or a Canadian one who is willing to ignore the law completely then you&#8217;re looking for a fundamentally irresponsible host and I think that&#8217;s a bad business decision. What you want is a host, no matter where they are based, who won&#8217;t &#8216;shoot first and ask questions later&#8217; and who doesn&#8217;t try to be judge, jury and executioner versus its own clients when it gets a complaint. You get that when you pay for good commercial hosting. You don&#8217;t get that from a place like Blogspot but why should you? Why would they have a vested interest in protecting your rights to free speech? A good commercial host is like a business partner, who DOES have those interests in seeing you succeed. </p>
<p>But that only works to a point no matter where you go. Unless you really do want to host on the &#8216;bulletproof&#8217; fringes along with the spammers and child pornographers, any responsible host is going to keep you from doing illegal things on their network. The difference is that with a host like ServInt if we get a complaint we don&#8217;t automatically assume you&#8217;re guilty. And we assume it&#8217;s worth our time to look into it. You don&#8217;t need to go offshore to find that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-456</guid>
		<description>You know, if your goal is to stand up for the better members of the US web hosting industry and keep bloggers from moving to Canada like BoingBoing has to avoid DMCA harassment, you need to come up with a better response than &quot;I know there are plenty&quot;.

I&#039;ve found several web hosts in Canada who advertise on their home pages that they offer exemption from both the DMCA and the Patriot Act.  I&#039;m just looking for a similar kind of policy statement or some sort of indication from US hosts.

My bad experience was with Blogspot (Blogger).  A free host, yes,  but a very big free host and one operated by Google who surely has more resources than smaller hosts do to deal with fraudulent and harassing DMCA compliants.  But I suspect that the DMCA is too much for even the biggest US based hosts.

But then, why should web hosts care about protecting bloggers when they&#039;re only a small fraction of their total business?  Perhaps blogging clients like them really do need a special kind of hosting package that takes into account the extra demands that the DMCA puts on their web hosts?  A kind of &quot;legal bandwidth&quot; fee?  The same as some web hosts charge for other kinds of help and troubleshooting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, if your goal is to stand up for the better members of the US web hosting industry and keep bloggers from moving to Canada like BoingBoing has to avoid DMCA harassment, you need to come up with a better response than &#8220;I know there are plenty&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found several web hosts in Canada who advertise on their home pages that they offer exemption from both the DMCA and the Patriot Act.  I&#8217;m just looking for a similar kind of policy statement or some sort of indication from US hosts.</p>
<p>My bad experience was with Blogspot (Blogger).  A free host, yes,  but a very big free host and one operated by Google who surely has more resources than smaller hosts do to deal with fraudulent and harassing DMCA compliants.  But I suspect that the DMCA is too much for even the biggest US based hosts.</p>
<p>But then, why should web hosts care about protecting bloggers when they&#8217;re only a small fraction of their total business?  Perhaps blogging clients like them really do need a special kind of hosting package that takes into account the extra demands that the DMCA puts on their web hosts?  A kind of &#8220;legal bandwidth&#8221; fee?  The same as some web hosts charge for other kinds of help and troubleshooting?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christian Dawson</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-455</guid>
		<description>Interesting question. Who are the others? Honestly, the others tend to be the more established commercial hosting providers. The smaller hosts don&#039;t tend to know any better and the free ones don&#039;t care and treat you like you&#039;re not worth their time. There are a handful of reputable commercial webhosters, though, who are willing to treat your business like a BUSINESS. That doesn&#039;t mean letting you get away with things that are indeed illegal, but it does mean opening a dialogue with you, giving you our impression of the law as it pertains to the complaint you received, and going over your options and choices - which includes in appropriate circumstances leaving the content up that is being complained about. I am interested to hear whether the bad experiences you have had were with established, commercial hosts like ServInt or with the incredible number of free or fly-by-night hosters out there. I don&#039;t want to list the other top hosts out there and potentially show endorsement for a competitor, but I know there are plenty who handle things responsibly like we do. Have you explored hosts in ServInt&#039;s corner of the industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question. Who are the others? Honestly, the others tend to be the more established commercial hosting providers. The smaller hosts don&#8217;t tend to know any better and the free ones don&#8217;t care and treat you like you&#8217;re not worth their time. There are a handful of reputable commercial webhosters, though, who are willing to treat your business like a BUSINESS. That doesn&#8217;t mean letting you get away with things that are indeed illegal, but it does mean opening a dialogue with you, giving you our impression of the law as it pertains to the complaint you received, and going over your options and choices &#8211; which includes in appropriate circumstances leaving the content up that is being complained about. I am interested to hear whether the bad experiences you have had were with established, commercial hosts like ServInt or with the incredible number of free or fly-by-night hosters out there. I don&#8217;t want to list the other top hosts out there and potentially show endorsement for a competitor, but I know there are plenty who handle things responsibly like we do. Have you explored hosts in ServInt&#8217;s corner of the industry?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.servint.net/2009/10/11/boingboing-web-hosting-and-the-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.servint.net/?p=856#comment-449</guid>
		<description>&quot;There are a lot of good hosting providers out there standing by their clients and standing up for what is right.&quot;

Who?

Of course, I assume you ServInt is one of those good hosts, but who are the others?  As a blogger, my experience so far (limited to Blogger) makes me think that free speech is not important to web hosts.  I&#039;m willing to pay (and I have paid hosting in addition to free Blogger hosting) for a host that will not allow themself to be used as a pawn in the DMCA-masked censorship game but after many hours of searching can&#039;t find a single one with a reputation for having any backbone in protecting the right to free speech of their clients (except for BoingBoing&#039;s, but maybe BoingBoing gets more respect than the little guys do?)

Where can I host a visual art blog that engages is serious criticism and commentary and observes the fair use provisions of the copyright act that won&#039;t get censored by it&#039;s webhost everytime some disgruntled reader files a ridiculous claim of copyright infringement in retaliation for my opinions?

I need some help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are a lot of good hosting providers out there standing by their clients and standing up for what is right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who?</p>
<p>Of course, I assume you ServInt is one of those good hosts, but who are the others?  As a blogger, my experience so far (limited to Blogger) makes me think that free speech is not important to web hosts.  I&#8217;m willing to pay (and I have paid hosting in addition to free Blogger hosting) for a host that will not allow themself to be used as a pawn in the DMCA-masked censorship game but after many hours of searching can&#8217;t find a single one with a reputation for having any backbone in protecting the right to free speech of their clients (except for BoingBoing&#8217;s, but maybe BoingBoing gets more respect than the little guys do?)</p>
<p>Where can I host a visual art blog that engages is serious criticism and commentary and observes the fair use provisions of the copyright act that won&#8217;t get censored by it&#8217;s webhost everytime some disgruntled reader files a ridiculous claim of copyright infringement in retaliation for my opinions?</p>
<p>I need some help.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

